Judge Claude Frollo
Disney Member
And He shall smite the wicked and plunge them into the fiery pit!
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Post by Judge Claude Frollo on Sept 20, 2010 8:53:24 GMT -5
To me it has more of a Dreamworks feel to it instead of Disney. I don't know, I guess we shall see what happens when it comes out....
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Post by princessrapunzel on Oct 6, 2010 19:39:15 GMT -5
I think it looks pretty cool and who knows it'll probably do pretty well...
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Post by Silver on Oct 7, 2010 17:58:18 GMT -5
Even though I have a strong inkling this won't rank anywhere near the classic Disney filmmaking. I have this strange feeling it will be nominated for Best Animated Film at the Academy Awards. I doubt it will beat Toy Story 3 or The Borrower of Arrietty though. Traditional Animation from Disney just can't seem reach the exrodinary level that Pixar or Ghibi have managed to achieve. They know what quality storytelling is all about and haven't faltered.
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Post by Shenzi on Oct 8, 2010 0:24:53 GMT -5
Even though I have a strong inkling this won't rank anywhere near the classic Disney filmmaking. I have this strange feeling it will be nominated for Best Animated Film at the Academy Awards. I doubt it will beat Toy Story 3 or The Borrower of Arrietty though. Traditional Animation from Disney just can't seem reach the exrodinary level that Pixar or Ghibi have managed to achieve. They know what quality storytelling is all about and haven't faltered. I've got to wholeheartedly agree with this. Despite that Disney is finally once again going down a classic road with traditional animation of a classic fairytale, the one trailer I saw of this film gave me the notion of a modern ridiculous humor factor to it. Not that I mean this as a judgment I am trying not to do that so much anymore since so many times first trailers have left such a horribly wrong beginning impression on me. But nonetheless with what I do have to base a partial opinion on thus far I am not impressed. |
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Post by Silver on Oct 16, 2010 3:25:49 GMT -5
To me it has more of a Dreamworks feel to it instead of Disney. I don't know, I guess we shall see what happens when it comes out.... I agree! In general I'm not a fan of Dreamworks (Except How to Train Your Dragon) because the majority of their work just seems to lack those poigant monents and the tone seems too fluffy. This film seems to be channeling their flavor. Granted like Shenzi said, it may be better then the trailer is presenting. I still feel my desire to to see this film in the Cinema is growing smaller and smaller. This advertising isn't doing much in making a connection with me. Future Spoilers ahead! Do not read what's inside if you want to be completley surprised at the theatre. Here is the basic plot summery that was given to Wikipedia.com "Princess Repunzel was born with magical hair that can restore a person's youth. When Repunzel was a baby, a woman named Mother Gothel stole her away to keep the youth restoring magic for herself. Repunzel grows up locked in a tower, being taught by Mother Gothel that the world outside is a horrible place, and not realizing she is a princess. But every year on her Birthday, the kingdom has a festival of lights to remember the lost princess. Repunzel can see this from her window and longs to visit the kingdom. When a wanted theif named Flynn Rider breaks into her tower to hide from the guards. Repunzel takes his satchel containing the crowm jewels. She promises to return his satchel if he will take her out of the tower and to the light festival, which he agrees." Still not too enthusiastic.  |
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Post by Briar Rose's Dark Knight on Oct 16, 2010 10:11:46 GMT -5
I'll be quite interested to see how this film turns out. I'm reading more and more from people who've seen the film or most of it that the trailers are nothing like the finished product. They're saying that the trailers are attempting to appeal to the general public more than the long time Disney fan, but the final film is very close to Mermaid or Beauty and the Beast.
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Post by Silver on Oct 16, 2010 22:51:19 GMT -5
If Disney would follow through with their word more often, then maybe I would believe that statement. ^^ Since they haven't put out that type of quality in years, I think the executives are just trying to stroke their own ego. They like to believe they have their audience figured out and create films just as good as Pixar. Let alone as good as the Oscar-nominated Beauty and the Beast. If past evidence is any indication, then they're delusional. Not one traditionally animated film by Disney has measured upto the magnifcent film structure that Pixar has supplied audiences with for the past decade. (In my opinion, only Brother Bear showcased Disney in a positive light)
Pixar appeals to a variety of audience memebers because the creative teams want to make great films. Then they follow through what they desire. They also have stronger appriciation for their audience and how they respond to their films. They create intelligent, sincere, and generally original stories that engage all ages. They have followed closer to Walt Disney's philosophy then the Disney company actually has. They look forward on how to improve their craft in content and artistic visuals. They don't dwell on past success. This is the problem with Disney now. They want to relive the glory days instead of venturing into new territory.
And if the film is of higher quality then what the trailers are letting on. Why didn't Disney advertise that aspect instead of the cheap comedy that only seems to appeal to 3 year olds? I recently saw Secretariat in the Cinema. Tangled was a trailer shown and the majority of people (other then very young children) reacted just the same as they did when I saw Toy Story 3. Teenagers and adults alike thought the film looked unlikably corney and rediculous. Based on their behavior, they didn't seem too keen to want to catch this film in the theatre. If the film really is better then what's been showcased, then the advertsing staff either needs a refresher course or needs to be fired. Since clearly they haven't done a very good job.
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Post by Briar Rose's Dark Knight on Oct 18, 2010 22:00:06 GMT -5
The very positive reviews I'm hearing about are not coming from Disney executives. I don't know how this film is going to turn out. I will admit that the trailers have tempered my enthusiasm for this film. But at the same time, I'm don't want to have any preconceived notions going in.
The current theory about the trailers is that Disney's Princess and the Frog trailers were aimed at fans of hand drawn animation and that film underperformed. So this time they're trying to broaden their appeal, figuring that fans will see it anyways and hope to bring in a wider audience.
Whether or not this will work depends entirely on what kind of film this is. And since I haven't seen it, I just don't know yet.
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Post by Silver on Oct 19, 2010 2:09:49 GMT -5
I think my last post was a bit harsh. I wasn't having an awsome day when I posted that. Just so you know my anger wasn't directed at you. It was much more personal and I unintentionally began vent through my posts.
What I was trying to say is that through the recent past releases of Traditional Animation from Disney, they haven't given me much hope for this next film. Nor has the advertisments they've provided. All of their recent efforts (or lack thereof) have not been of very good quality as I was hoping for. It's not that I'm expecting another Oscar nominated film for Best Picture. I do expect higher quality then what's been relseased. Something that is honest, heartfelt, and engaging. This is what Walt Disney started out with and it continued into the mid-90's. Throughout the last 15 years or so, Disney has lost that creative spark and sincerity. Only a handful of films in my opinion have touched me with that small dose of Disney magic. My inklings are just not confident this will be the film to break this terrible habit.
If Tangled is the film to so, then I will be glad to admit I was wrong. I truly would love to see Disney release a film that I was emotionally engulfed in. Just how when I watched How to Train Your Dragon & Toy Story 3 in the Cinema this year. There's really no verbal description to how much joy I felt when left the theatre. I knew my money was not only well spent. I was counting down the days to when I would own the Blu-ray/DVD comb pack. (Like I said the last Disney film I felt that was with Brother Bear) If Disney's Traditional Animation could instill those feelings in me again the way they do with classics, I'm positive I would explode with happiness!
If I do go see Tangled in the Cinema, of course I'll walk in with a clean slate like I do with any film. I'll judge based on the material that is shown to me and rank on what type of quality (if any) that I believe was shown. Despite what some believe I did this with The Princess and the Frog and I didn't think it was that great of film. Regardless of what Company released it and what there past films had meant to me. At that moment when I left the theatre lobby, I didn't feel emotionally connected to "that" story or it''s characters. It was entertaining at best. But not an intense connection. Which is what I hope for with any film I'm going to spend my money on in the Cinema. Not just Disney and Pixar.
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Post by Briar Rose's Dark Knight on Oct 19, 2010 20:02:26 GMT -5
Actually I thought your "harsh" post raised some very valid criticisms of how some at Disney acted in recent years and I didn't take it personally. Like you said, Pixar is making films the way Walt used to and Disney clearly lost a lot of that. I do think that they've taken a turn for the better since John Lasseter took over Disney Feature Animation.
From what I've read, Disney has become very concerned that they've alienated the boy market. While I agree with that assessment, that's a whole different topic. That's apparently what drove the decision to focus the trailers more on Flynn and less on Rapunzel. I do think the modern music has worried some Disney fans, but what I'm seeing indicates that the music in the film is entirely from Alan Menken and that the modern music is only for the trailers. That said, I really hope that's the case. I was very excited for this film until I saw the first trailer. That tempered my excitement, which has left me to hope that those who've seen more of the film than I are right when they say it's more like the classics than most DreamWorks films not named How To Train Your Dragon.
When you say "Disney Traditional Animation" do you mean hand drawn or anything released under the Walt Disney Animation Studios banner?
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Post by Silver on Oct 20, 2010 22:46:03 GMT -5
I mean the 2-D animation. Even though this film has many CGI elements I still have Glenn Keane's logo stuck in my head. "It's traditional animation with a twist." Technically to call this film a Traditional Animated film would be incorrect. It could also be that because this film isn't 100% CGI either, I don't classify it in the same catagory as Disney's other CGI projects. Hope that explains it.
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Post by Briar Rose's Dark Knight on Oct 21, 2010 19:29:42 GMT -5
It does. I just keep seeing the phrase traditional animation applied to Tangled, so I wanted to know what you meant by it. I've heard it described as a hybrid of the two. I think the backgrounds will look more hand drawn while the characters definitely look CGI.
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Post by Shenzi on Nov 9, 2010 20:47:27 GMT -5
Ok I do not know why I said Traditional Animation in my last post, perhaps I was accidentally thinking of the 'Princess and the Frog'. Everything else I still hold too though even after having seen a few more trailers.
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Post by tangledsonshine on May 17, 2011 17:28:45 GMT -5
I personlly think that Tangled is the best animated movie for a while. It has the imagination and dreams, to it like the older movies I think Walt would be very please with how Tangled came out  |
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