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Post by Shenzi on Oct 5, 2014 1:08:36 GMT -5
Something that I'd neglected to mention earlier when comparing Kristoff Vs. Hans was how interestingly cute a song 'Love is an Open Door' is considering Hans turned out to be the villain. This also makes him technically the first villain whose song is a love song rather than about his evil plot.
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Post by icyheart16 on Oct 5, 2014 9:03:41 GMT -5
That is so true. After that song, I was so sad that he was the villain. I loved him.
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Oct 5, 2014 9:20:15 GMT -5
Post by jupiter23 on Oct 5, 2014 9:20:15 GMT -5
And then he's also the first villain who had a musical number with the heroine.
But that's why I love Hans so much as a villain, though. The sociologist in me was completely fascinated by his intentions. And every time I re-watch the movie I find myself analyzing him every time. (I still do it with Gothel from Tangled.) I think it's just because of how much more subtle and crafty he his compared to most of Disney's past villains. There wasn't a neon sign hanging over his head telling everyone he was bad news. He was designed to have everyone fooled from the get go.
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Oct 5, 2014 13:14:56 GMT -5
Post by Briar Rose's Dark Knight on Oct 5, 2014 13:14:56 GMT -5
I think that's part of the reason that Frozen went over so well with audiences. So many of the great Disney films tend to follow the same formula. Frozen took that blueprint and in many ways turned it on its head while still following the recent trend of being an animated musical. As others have noted, in the beginning we're meant to sympathize with Hans. Love Is An Open Door appears to be the latest entry in the couple singing a duet that either begins their romance or cements their romance.
I didn't see Hans as the villain coming, but at the same time, they spent so much time developing Kristoff and Anna that I wasn't totally surprised when they made the revelation. They employed a very similar romantic storyline as they used in Enchanted. About the only major difference is that Hans is the villain whereas Edward in Enchanted was always depicted as a good guy.
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Oct 5, 2014 14:57:34 GMT -5
Post by Shenzi on Oct 5, 2014 14:57:34 GMT -5
And then he's also the first villain who had a musical number with the heroine. But that's why I love Hans so much as a villain, though. The sociologist in me was completely fascinated by his intentions. And every time I re-watch the movie I find myself analyzing him every time. (I still do it with Gothel from Tangled.) I think it's just because of how much more subtle and crafty he his compared to most of Disney's past villains. There wasn't a neon sign hanging over his head telling everyone he was bad news. He was designed to have everyone fooled from the get go. Agreed, I loved every element of how Hans was approached as the villain. One of my top favorites being that it was the PRINCE who was the villain instead of the male character who ends up with the heroine. This was the most realistic approach since Scar. The only thing I might have re-thought had I a say in the script was the way he was revealed as the villain. It was quite weird and lacked depth. Maybe if he'd tossed Anna into the dungeon with Elsa when she was delivered to him or even better, he completes the 'true loves kiss' but it of course doesn't work and then he comes out: "Oh Anna" some tenderness there to deceive "Of course it didn't, you don't even know me!" something where he belittles her feelings for him rather than just that random and uninteresting "Oh I don't love you, I'm just trying to take over your kingdom." Otherwise an excellent character.
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Oct 5, 2014 16:22:02 GMT -5
Post by jupiter23 on Oct 5, 2014 16:22:02 GMT -5
Re: "True love's kiss" with Hans: I think either way it would have had the same impact with the reveal. Hans kisses her and then laughs at her or he doesn't kiss her and still laughs at her. I think that they probably chose the route of "Well, at least she never kissed him" when they were writing the script out. So it's then a little more meaningful when she later kisses Kristoff.
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Oct 5, 2014 18:40:13 GMT -5
Post by Shenzi on Oct 5, 2014 18:40:13 GMT -5
Alright I see what you're saying but I still like the belittling line better than the uninteresting one they wrote.
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Oct 5, 2014 20:20:33 GMT -5
Post by Silver on Oct 5, 2014 20:20:33 GMT -5
According to IMDB.com in their trivia section.
"In the fight scene, before he runs to the duke's henchman to divert the arrow. Hans glances upwards. This makes the perfect shot that makes the chandilier fall to knock Elsa out more realistic and is more concrete yet subtle eluding to vilianious staus."
And later confirming it with his taunting of Anna. "I'd have to stage a littl accident for Elsa."
There are also hints in the song Love is an Open Door at how eager Hans is to be a king. "I've been searching my whole life to find my own place."
As is once again confirmation of his intended plan to use Anna. "I was thriteenth in line for my own kingdom. I knew I had to marry into a royal family somewhere. As heir, Elsa was preferable of course. But no one was getting anywhere with her. But you! You were so despeerate for love you were willing to marry me just like that!"
So Disney didn't want to make it obvious but still laid out tidbits that this intenste revealing didn't come out of nowhere. Hans always had an agenda well before Elsa's powers burst out in public.
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Oct 5, 2014 20:27:57 GMT -5
Post by jupiter23 on Oct 5, 2014 20:27:57 GMT -5
Yeah, it was one of those things where you have to re-watch the movie to catch them all. But they're all there.
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Oct 8, 2014 22:20:56 GMT -5
Post by Shenzi on Oct 8, 2014 22:20:56 GMT -5
That's another thing I loved about Hans as the villain, how you are told his villainous motive in the 'Love is an open door' number without it being a give away that it was a villainous motive.
I've also considered that the arrow/chandelier moment wasn't what it appeared, that rather than trying to save Elsa, he'd intended for it to look like he was intervening but in fact meant for the chandelier to come down on her. That it was a failed attempt at the 'staged accident' he'd told Anna about. Which opens up the possibility that using Anna as the victim instead was Plan B. To Break Elsa before he tried again with the sword so that this time she wouldn't have the emotional strength to fight back. That and the line line: "As the heir Elsa was preferable of course but no one was getting anywhere with her" were brilliant, showing how well he'd done his homework, studied his enemy.
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Post by icyheart16 on Oct 9, 2014 8:21:21 GMT -5
That is some good insight, Shenzi. I hadn't thought so deeply into the subject.
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Oct 9, 2014 19:37:04 GMT -5
Post by Shenzi on Oct 9, 2014 19:37:04 GMT -5
Thank you, I did make a slight error though. When I said that the "Love is an Open Door" number revealed his motive without telling you it was a motive, I'd actually been thinking about the dialogue right before the number where he revealed how he had 12 brothers who treated him as invisible. Though there are lines in the song which also are revealing such as: "Cause like I've been searching my whole life to find my own place" and (though they both sing this one) "Say goodbye To the pain of the past We don't have to feel it any more."
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Post by Butterscotch on Oct 28, 2014 20:36:01 GMT -5
I never noticed this before, but when Anna is telling Hans how Elsa shut her out, Hans promises that he will never do that to Anna. Interestingly, he keeps his word. When he reveals his true nature, he shuts Anna IN.
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Post by icyheart16 on Oct 29, 2014 8:45:58 GMT -5
That's kind of twisted... Hans was such a different bad guy. I like how Disney went on a different route with this villain. On a lighter note, Elsa is the most popular Halloween costume this year. Love seeing all the cute little Elsa's!
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Nov 8, 2014 1:00:07 GMT -5
Post by Shenzi on Nov 8, 2014 1:00:07 GMT -5
Some interesting facts about Frozen. www.youtube.com/watch?v=acCZEhuCSWcMy favorite tidbit was that Anna was originally a peasant who wanted Elsa to freeze her broken heart. That's kind of brilliantly dark.
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