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Sept 26, 2014 15:34:54 GMT -5
Post by Shenzi on Sept 26, 2014 15:34:54 GMT -5
Except that she didn't let go of the pain in her past. Not in my opinion. Not at the time of the song anyway. Her behavior throughout the film especially her fleeing the kingdom stemmed from how she was taught since the incident with Anna in their childhood. Which is my next point, that still haunted her. When Anna came to plead with her to return to Arendelle and try to undo the eternal winter she said "We can go back to the way we used to be" or something to that effect but Elsa went back to that night and was once again feeling like she needed to be distanced from her sister. "No, we can't" was her response.
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jupiter23
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Post by jupiter23 on Sept 26, 2014 16:20:47 GMT -5
It wasn't so much about letting go of her pain as it was her not allowing herself to cause more of it. She didn't know by that point that she had lost control of her powers to the point that the kingdom was in danger. She doesn't find out until Anna tells her, at which point she panics and loses control again. Then later on, she didn't realize that she had hurt Anna again until Hans told her on the fjord. It was about her finally being somewhere where she could be herself and, in her mind, there was no one around that would be in danger. She never intended to return to Arendelle.
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Sept 26, 2014 19:13:19 GMT -5
Post by Shenzi on Sept 26, 2014 19:13:19 GMT -5
Agreed Jupiter. Well said.
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Sept 28, 2014 16:44:19 GMT -5
Post by Merida Brave on Sept 28, 2014 16:44:19 GMT -5
Frozen is probably my newest favourite movie. I think it ranks up there in my top 5. I loved the plot to the story and the twist with the prince at the end. It was so well done that I didn't see it coming. The characters were loving and warm and the songs are very memorable. The addition of a talking snowman makes the film have even more of that classic Disney feel.
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Oct 2, 2014 18:20:36 GMT -5
Post by Silver on Oct 2, 2014 18:20:36 GMT -5
This just popped into my head while going over the "20 Most Romantic Moments" thread.
Was there anybody who thought Hans and Anna were a cute couple before we discovered the "revolation"?
Or were you purely Team Kristoff thoughout the film?
I will admit I was at an enormous advantage in figuring out Hans was not all he was crakced up to be. The big clue for me was the actor Santino Fontanna played Prince Topher in the Broadway adpattion of Rodgers & Hammerstein's Cinderella. I found it to be 99.9% unlikely he would play another Prince Charming in the same year. As such i felt immediately connected to Kristoff's rough around the edges but sincere being.
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jupiter23
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Oct 2, 2014 21:17:14 GMT -5
Post by jupiter23 on Oct 2, 2014 21:17:14 GMT -5
I like to leave myself open to anything for the sake of the story.
That being said, well before Frozen was even released in theaters, I had this going for a little while. And then more and more information about the movie started being released as the hype was being built up around it.
One day I was on the TVTropes.org discussion board and I was on the thread they had made to talk about the movie and (at the time) speculate on what might happen. Well, as it happened, some crucial information about the plot of the movie had been leaked. Said crucial information concerned a certain prince of the Southern Isles and his true intentions behind being in Arendelle. It was probably partially my fault for not turning on the spoiler codes (the spoiler codes work differently on their site) and therefore opening myself up to accidentally catching it.
After I cursed about it for a few minutes, I forced myself to shake it off and decided to make a better effort to avoid any further spoilers until after I had had a chance to see the movie.
Well, I never got to see it in theaters. I didn't get to see it until the download was released (in February or March I believe it was). But still, I did pretty good at avoiding spoilers.
Until I was on Tumblr one day. And someone had reblogged a gif of the Kristanna kiss at the end of the movie. And I still hadn't watched it by that point. And I didn't know XKit was a thing at the time so I couldn't set it to block things like that.
So it wasn't so much that I was "team anything" as it was that I already knew what was coming. But I still loved the movie and I do consider myself firmly on Team Kristoff.
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Oct 3, 2014 2:10:35 GMT -5
Post by Shenzi on Oct 3, 2014 2:10:35 GMT -5
Well I for one had not seen the Hans twist coming which was what made it so brilliant to me however the fact that Anna did not end up with him was kind of predictable in that the relationship was so rushed that there was no believability in it. One pretty much knew he wasn't going to be Anna's true love's kiss, Kristoff was the sensible assumption to that. Prince Edward in Enchanted had the same effect on me though it was also his kinda player approach that turned me off there (Oh you have a pretty singing voice so you're going to marry me even though you just met me two seconds ago).
While Kristoff's tender handling of Anna's condition after they'd left the Ice Palace had my guilty pleasure of corny mush under submission, they'd been so refreshingly casual that I couldn't see a romance happening. Though my prediction was that Anna would let Hans down gently having realized the error of rushing into a relationship and that she didn't actually love him but rather than offering to take it slower with him she'd realize she wanted that with Kristoff and then there'd be a suggestion of a slow beginning to Kristanna. I didn't fall for the 'True Love's Kiss' trick which cancelled out their attempt to make it feel like it would be coming from Kristoff. Somewhere in the back of my mind I'd figured out it would be Elsa who would save Anna rather than a kiss at all.
So I wasn't rooting for anyone per say but rather looking at it from a logical stand point, as what would sensibly happen based on what I was getting from it.
Jupiter that sucks, that's why you need to be super careful about that kind of thing on the internet. I'd learned that while reading the Twilight saga when I'd run into a spoiler of the final book while still finishing the third. Ever since then I've been a lot more mindful and never look anywhere I feel I might find a spoiler.
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Oct 3, 2014 6:50:41 GMT -5
Post by jupiter23 on Oct 3, 2014 6:50:41 GMT -5
Shenzi: LOL That's one of the reasons I haven't been on TVTropes.org in months. It was more or less by accident that I had stumbled over the information.
And if I hadn't been previously spoiled to the Hans twist already, I might not have seen it coming either. For me it would have been one of those things that I would have been studying Hans on a re-watch of the movie and then been like "I totally should have seen it coming, though."
And that was part of the point behind Kristoff and Anna's relationship. That by the end Anna had learned her lesson about rushing into a relationship. And having it start off so seemingly casually was also the point. Isn't that how most relationships start off in real life?
On the point of saving Anna, it wasn't even that Elsa had saved Anna. Anna saved herself. Pabbie said that an act of true love would thaw her heart. I remember pointing out somewhere else that everyone has a bad habit of not fully thinking over anything Pabbie tells them and then they wind up misinterpreting it. The act of true love that saves Anna comes from Anna herself.
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Oct 3, 2014 23:09:53 GMT -5
Post by Shenzi on Oct 3, 2014 23:09:53 GMT -5
And that was part of the point behind Kristoff and Anna's relationship. That by the end Anna had learned her lesson about rushing into a relationship. And having it start off so seemingly casually was also the point. Isn't that how most relationships start off in real life? I agree that Kristoff serves to show Anna what it means to take a relationship slow and the fact that they were so casual was indeed realistic and for Disney it was very refreshing. On the point of saving Anna, it wasn't even that Elsa had saved Anna. Anna saved herself. Pabbie said that an act of true love would thaw her heart. I remember pointing out somewhere else that everyone has a bad habit of not fully thinking over anything Pabbie tells them and then they wind up misinterpreting it. The act of true love that saves Anna comes from Anna herself. You know that's interesting because I'd actually considered that it was Anna saving Elsa's life that saved her but it doesn't quite add up for me. If that were so than why did she freeze at all and not thaw until Elsa held her?
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Oct 3, 2014 23:23:52 GMT -5
Post by Butterscotch on Oct 3, 2014 23:23:52 GMT -5
For dramatic effect.
But the in-story reason is probably that it just took a few minutes for Anna to thaw out. I don't think Elsa holding her had anything to do with it. Elsa could have dropped to the ground sobbing or wandered off to get a cup of coffee and Anna would have thawed out.
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Oct 4, 2014 1:27:43 GMT -5
Post by Shenzi on Oct 4, 2014 1:27:43 GMT -5
Alright but that still doesn't explain how Anna froze in the first place if she'd committed the curing act.
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Post by Butterscotch on Oct 4, 2014 6:38:42 GMT -5
Merely deciding to sacrifice herself for Elsa wasn't enough, Anna had to actually move in between Elsa and Hans. By then the curse had nearly run its course and she pretty much froze solid *just* before the sword touched her hands. If Hans had threatened Elsa five minutes earlier, Anna wouldn't have frozen completely.
But again, that wouldn't have been as dramatic.
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Post by jupiter23 on Oct 4, 2014 9:24:59 GMT -5
And also Anna had started freezing from the inside out, so she had to start thawing from the inside out as well. Remember we don't actually start seeing ice anywhere on her person until she's out on the fjord looking for Kristoff. But she was getting cold before that.
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Oct 4, 2014 13:57:08 GMT -5
Post by Shenzi on Oct 4, 2014 13:57:08 GMT -5
Merely deciding to sacrifice herself for Elsa wasn't enough, Anna had to actually move in between Elsa and Hans. By then the curse had nearly run its course and she pretty much froze solid *just* before the sword touched her hands. If Hans had threatened Elsa five minutes earlier, Anna wouldn't have frozen completely. But again, that wouldn't have been as dramatic. Sent from my GT-P3113 using proboards Ah I see what you're saying. I'd forgotten to consider that she froze just before the sword hit her.
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Post by icyheart16 on Oct 4, 2014 23:20:21 GMT -5
I have watched this film twice in two days... Maybe I am simple minded, but this film does not get old to me! Each time I watch it, I am equally interested. I still find it cute, funny... Still cry when Anna sacrifices herself... I absolutely adore this movie!
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