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Post by Butterscotch on Sept 3, 2007 17:18:29 GMT -5
The problem is that there isn't anyone to compare Phillip to: he's nothing like those who came before or after.
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Post by LauraHonest on Sept 3, 2007 17:31:36 GMT -5
The problem is that there isn't anyone to compare Phillip to: he's nothing like those who came before or after. he is unique! maybe that is why i like him
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Post by joplin4 on Sept 10, 2007 10:42:51 GMT -5
Gotcha. In terms of context, I think it's unfair to compare Phililp with the princes who followed after him becaue there was a 30 year gap between Sleeping Beauty and The Little Mermaid. Disney animators have said that the second hardest thing to draw is a human female. A human male is the first. I look at Philip as the prince who raised the bar for the others in terms of his contribution to the film. I agree completely. Great post. While Philip may not be my favorite, I cannot deny his significance. I think he's a great character.
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Post by Briar Rose's Dark Knight on Sept 18, 2007 22:01:44 GMT -5
From a discussion in the Juke Box thread about Once Upon a Dream and I Wonder: I heard it was first an idea to have a cloud scene during the song "someday my prince will come" in Snowwhite. but they had troubles animating the prince and they thought that showing the dwarfs emotions during it more important than Snowwhite's fantasy. Too bad, I would have loved to see more scenes of the prince. Normally he would've have more scenes. If you look at the 'making of', Walt and the other writers were playing with the idea that The Queen locked hem up and everything. but hey, now Phillip is more popular. He got all those scenes instead. Disney felt that the only thing tougher to animate than a human female is a human male. The animators weren't ready yet to do a credible human male for long periods of time in Snow White. (They later went back and corrected some of the areas of Snow White herself that didn't look great when the film made money) So, yes they cut almost all of the Prince's scenes. It's interesting to see how much the animators improved over the years. They could not have made Sleeping Beauty 20 years earlier because the Prince needed to play his part(in Snow White the dwarfs took the Prince's place in killing the Evil Queen IIRC).
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Post by Butterscotch on Sept 19, 2007 8:51:41 GMT -5
I find it a bit odd that the Disney animators found men harder to draw. It's been my experiance that people find their own gender easier to draw and have difficulty drawing the opposite sex. On the other hand, the older Princes were less developed characters. Characters who are more developed are more fun to draw
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Post by LauraHonest on Sept 19, 2007 10:11:02 GMT -5
that is odd indeed, i would have thought that women would be harder with all of their curves and hair....hmmm
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Post by SpellWovenNight on Sept 19, 2007 16:58:19 GMT -5
I've heard taht before, can't remember where.
What's so hard to draw about them? I"m not saying drawings easy but why is it harder for human males than females? Do they end up looking too perfect or not human enough?
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Post by Briar Rose's Dark Knight on Sept 19, 2007 20:32:04 GMT -5
I can't begin to guess as to why it's more difficult to animate human males than human females. I will note that with the exception of Aladdin, the lead human female usually has much more screen time than the male. I also suspect that this challenge contributed to the prince issue at the end of Beauty and the Beast. He never looked right.
Part of why Disney has been able to get better at it over the years is experience. One thing that Walt Disney always did was prepare animators for his next idea. The short Flowers and Trees was a test run to see if they could pull Snow White off. Lady and the Tramp was a test run to see how widescreen would work in animation, thus setting the stage for Sleeping Beauty.
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Post by moonchild on Sept 22, 2007 14:13:24 GMT -5
I love Sleeping Beauty! Aurora is my third fav disney princess, she's so beautiful, has blonde wavy hair, looks so fragile, ladylike and elegant! I fell in love with the animation of this movie the first time I saw it, gotta love the medieval look!<3 The fairies are really nice as well.
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Post by Briar Rose's Dark Knight on Sept 25, 2007 1:25:34 GMT -5
Disney had Eyvind Earle design the film because he wanted it to have a moving tapestry feel to it. Some have described Sleeping Beauty as a living illustration. I believe that one reason why the design is so uniform is because everything had to fit the background,, which was designed first. Aurora was tall and elegant so she fit in with the vertical design. Even the colors of her dress were made to match the background. The initial blues and greens they were going to use for Briar Rose's peasant dress were replaced with the gray and black because the gray and black helped her stand out better against the forest without being "lost" in the forest.
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Post by fisher on Sept 25, 2007 19:03:08 GMT -5
Yeah, there's really nothing bad about Sleeping Beauty. While it's done in a somewhat contemporary artistic fashion, it also is a very medieval style of art, and I find it artistically delicious. Mmm.
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Post by fisher on Sept 25, 2007 19:05:26 GMT -5
And no, women are far easier to draw to men, because, well, women are easier and more fun to look at, and references to them can be found at much more ease. It's easier, I think, to find a woman with a perfect feminine shape than it is to find a guy with a perfect masculine shape, and who wants to look at them, anyhow? Maybe if all the animators were girls, then it would be easier, I bet.
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Post by Donald Duck on Sept 27, 2007 4:35:20 GMT -5
I love Sleeping Beauty! Aurora is my third fav disney princess, she's so beautiful, has blonde wavy hair, looks so fragile, ladylike and elegant! I fell in love with the animation of this movie the first time I saw it, gotta love the medieval look!<3 The fairies are really nice as well. I loved the animation too! Aurora was perfectly done! Her voice was perfectly matched too. Who voiced acted her?
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Post by SpellWovenNight on Sept 27, 2007 16:17:56 GMT -5
Wasn't it Mary Costa?
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Post by Briar Rose's Dark Knight on Sept 27, 2007 22:19:25 GMT -5
It was. Mary Costa went on to very successful career as a soprano on the operatic stage. She believes that Sleeping Beauty helped laucn her career and says that of all the parts she's played over her years, Princess Aurora is her favorite because it's enabled her to better connect with young people.
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