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Post by Butterscotch on Aug 28, 2007 17:11:21 GMT -5
Brother Bear. And Peter Pan, I suppose I love the song Mine, Mine, Mine! I love Wiggins dancing around going "hey nonny-nonny!". Wiggins is cute!
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Post by SpellWovenNight on Aug 28, 2007 19:09:10 GMT -5
Yeah but the Native Americans from Brother Bear are from the North and Peter Pan is based off of the idea of Indians of being more savage.
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Post by barkydog2000 on Nov 12, 2007 16:43:55 GMT -5
Ok, so I just saw this movie the first time in quite some time. Man, I love it. I don't mind the historical inaccouracies, except that they made Pocahontas and John Smith so close in age and made them fall in love. That bugs me a little. But beside that it is an incredible film! The music is stellar! The Drums of War reprise is so strong and intense, you can almost fly with Pocahontas. I watched the Special Edition and I HATED how they added in the If I Never Knew You scene and the If I Never Knew You Reprise at the end when they are saying good-bye. I really think they were smart to leave it out of the original and just have it as a credit song. As a credit song I think it is one of the most touching love songs, but maybe I am just against it because it just wasn't in the original version. I was impressed how they got the animation so close to the orginal, although I could see a slight difference. I don't care too much for John Smith, but I absolutely LOVE Thomas!! Probably because he was voiced by the amazingly talented Christian Bale. I really felt sorry for him, and he was so sweet and nice. All in all the voice cast was truly amazing! David Ogden Stiers does an incredible voice job. If one didn't know before hand, just by watching the movie one would never know that Governor Ratcliffe and Wiggins were played by the same voice, so hats off to him! Mine, Mine, Mine is perfect for showing how Ratcliffe thinks. And the beginning song (Virginia Company) I thought it was funny how they added the real Virginia Company motto of "For Glory, God, and Gold". And although it was a more serious movie, I thought the touches of humor added by Grandmother Willow, Meeko, and Flit, and Percy were great. I liked that the animals didn't talk, it made it more realistic. And Pocahontas is definitely one of the most beautiful girls Disney has ever drawn. And I think she really was extraordinarily pretty in real life too.
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Post by SpellWovenNight on Nov 27, 2007 18:20:21 GMT -5
Actually Pocahontas wasn't known for her good looks in real life, kinda the opposite. (guess what! I learned that in schooll, imagine that!). What I really liked in this movie was the music. I love that they carried the same tune, theme, all the way through the music and it wasn't just used in the songs but the score as well.
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Post by Silver on Apr 8, 2008 23:04:12 GMT -5
After reviewing this film after several months have passed, I have to say I'm far more impressed with it. (But it's still not on my top ten list) Although the animation wasn't as well-constructed or seamless as the "Golden Era" films, it's still quite lovely. The landscapes are stunning! The music is very vocally and lyrically driven. Probably it's best element because it combines this dazzeling blend of contemporary Broadway with Native American traditional styles. Alam Menken and Stephen Schwartz were a good team to mesh together overall. Just not as strong as he was with Howard Ashmen or Tim Rice. (I think they were much more brilliant on The Hunchback of Notre Dame) The studio may have sanded against the grain for taking on this legend, but I think it still came together at the end. I think it's a very touching love story. (I even cried during my last viewing) Pocahontas and John Smith have excellent chemistry & romance with each other. They're one of my favorite couples! Mainly because they actually rescue one another and have great passion. And I'm going to have to disaree with you Alexis. I thought the additional song "If I Never Knew You" was a fantastic idea. It really brought the intense and intimate scene full circle. I wish it was included in the original production. It brings tears to my eyes and chill bumps to my arms. Overall, I'd have to sum this up as a good film. But not spectacular. It just slightly falls short compared to so many of the other materpieces the studio has made.
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Post by lowexpectations on Apr 10, 2008 15:14:38 GMT -5
So yeah, Pocahontas is a super movie, but how unbelievable historically inaccurate it is really does bother me. I know it's Disney and they have to change some things, but it really had a lot of wrong stuff in it. Whatever, I still love the movie.
The sequel just ruined it for me though. I mean, I guess it sorta made sense, and it was more accurate because it had Pocahontas actually fall for the guy that history claims she did, but I felt like it was too much. It's like they can never leave an awesome movie alone.
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Post by barkydog2000 on Apr 10, 2008 16:42:40 GMT -5
And I'm going to have to disaree with you Alexis. I thought the additional song "If I Never Knew You" was a fantastic idea. It really brought the intense and intimate scene full circle. I wish it was included in the original production. It brings tears to my eyes and chill bumps to my arms. I think it does fit into the movie very well and does bring intensity. I really like the song itself. My distaste for it in the movie is mainly because it emphasizes the love story that is historically nonexistant. The lyrics are wonderful and touching. But they are hinting at how they both opened their eyes to how cruel the Native Americans and the Virginia Company were being to each other, not loving each other, and not listening to each other and not to take advantage of nature and all that. And I think I would be happier if the song focused more on those aspects then the love between Pocahontas and John Smith imparticular.
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Post by Butterscotch on Apr 10, 2008 20:16:15 GMT -5
I agree so much that it hurts. I'm not a huge fan of the sequels (though I adore some), but Pocahontas Two is the only sequel that just ruined the first movie for me. They set up this epic love story in the first movie, where their love is strong enough to prevent war, and in Pocahontas Two, they just...don't love each other anymore. I know this happens in real life, and that real people can have many great loves, but it's hard to watch the developing romance between John Smith and Pocahontas and know that they don't end up together.
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Post by Silver on Jun 24, 2015 16:08:06 GMT -5
A very happy 20th anniversary to the creative team of Pocahontas! The first Disney film to based on real events and to feature an interracial romance. "My daughter speaks with the wisdom beyond her years. We have all come here with anger in our hearts. But she comes with courage and understanding."
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Post by Butterscotch on Jun 28, 2015 19:17:29 GMT -5
Jeepers, 20 years? I remember buying the tenth anniversary DVD not long after I joined this board. Time flies
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Post by Silver on Jun 28, 2015 22:16:01 GMT -5
I need to grab ahold of the Blu-ray. I've seen the screncaps of it on the net. This film is stunning and I can imagine the music is just as beautiful.
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Post by Briar Rose's Dark Knight on Jul 7, 2015 22:17:21 GMT -5
So a few years ago, I finally broke down and watched this film. I had refused to watch it for years based on horrible reviews of family members and friends with similar tastes and my issues with the known historical inaccuracies. But since I enjoyed the Pocahantas Colors of the Wind segment in Disney California Adventure's World of Color show, I decided to give the film a shot.
in the end, I regret watching it. While the animation was top notch, the story didn't work for me. Ultimately, I felt like they were trying to tell the next great Disney love story. The entire film builds up this great romance as John Smith and Pocahantas learn to love each other and appreciate each other's cultures. And then it veers into Romeo and Juliet territory without the suicides, a love story where the couple does not end up together. So the great romance story that underpinned the entire story is wiped away.
None of this is to say that I believe every Disney movie must have romance. In fact, I think that the Hunchback of Notre Dame handled the bittersweet ending quite well. Bolt, Wreck-It Ralph, and Big Hero 6 are all good Disney movies that do not feature a romance. I just think that Pocahantas fails because it relies too much on the romance that cannot be. Had they told the story with no hints of romance, but instead built the friendship it could have worked. But that's just my opinion. Others are more than welcome to love and enjoy the movie.
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Post by icyheart16 on Jul 8, 2015 8:55:27 GMT -5
I really enjoyed this film. Loved the story part of it paired with the budding romance between her and John Smith. Honestly, Frozen was your first animated feature that wasn't focused on the romance aspect. So it was expected. But I don't feel that it makes it a bad film by any means.
The musical score was wonderful. The animation was top notch by Disney standards.
I'm with Butters and not feeling this should be 20 years old yet. Wow! Almost as old as I.
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Post by Silver on Jul 8, 2015 12:01:15 GMT -5
I always have and always will love this movie for Pocahontas's spirited nature and John Smith's transition.
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