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Post by Butterscotch on Feb 14, 2014 20:41:57 GMT -5
I watched this today for the first time in a long time and I have to say, I liked it a lot more this time.
Cinderella herself has grown on me and didn't any me at all this time. She wasn't quite as perfect as I remembered, getting angry at Lucifer and her reluctance to get out of bed in the morning.
The King and the Grand Duke were funnier than I remembered. I love the feisty king!
The Prince is still pretty dull.
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jupiter23
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Post by jupiter23 on Feb 16, 2014 13:26:46 GMT -5
I heard somewhere that the Prince would have actually had more scenes in the movie, but they were cut for time or something. And the scenes they cut would have actually shown some of his personality.
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Post by icyheart16 on Feb 16, 2014 13:44:44 GMT -5
Hmmm... Now I want to purchase the Bluray to see this! Lol! Wonder if it has those deleted scenes?!
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Post by Briar Rose's Dark Knight on Feb 16, 2014 13:55:45 GMT -5
If you're going to purchase the blu-ray for "bonus materials" you're going to be very disappointed. The film itself looks beautiful, but the bonus materials were very disappointing, especially for a film like Cinderella.
It's also possible that jupiter23 was referring to Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. I know that movie had a much bigger part for the Prince, but due to the challenges of animating human males, they cut his part down dramatically to avoid showing him onscreen. A friend of mine who worked for Disney in the 50s told me that the second hardest thing to animate is a human female. The hardest thing to animate is a human male.
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Post by icyheart16 on Feb 16, 2014 17:08:29 GMT -5
Oh wow! That is crazy and interesting! I wonder why that is? I guess because every detail had to be so meticulous?
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jupiter23
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Post by jupiter23 on Feb 16, 2014 22:46:07 GMT -5
I wouldn't have thought that so much about a human male so much as I would have a female. I wonder at the truth of that regarding Snow White, though. Because while the Prince didn't make much of an appearance in that movie either, you still had the seven dwarves. All of which were male and very human looking in appearance.
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Post by icyheart16 on Feb 16, 2014 23:28:15 GMT -5
And to go along with that, they were all unique looking to boot! No plain, "Princey" feel to it!
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Post by Butterscotch on Feb 17, 2014 0:07:24 GMT -5
The dwarves are more cartoony than the Prince, though. Their features are exaggerated and they have more squash and stretch than the realistic human characters. It's more subtle, but compare the stepsisters to Cinderella. Anastasia and Drizzela are more expressive and they don't always move realistically. The best example of how cartoony the stepsisters are is when they are trying on the slipper. One of them bends her foot almost like she has no bones at all.
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Post by Briar Rose's Dark Knight on Feb 19, 2014 23:25:53 GMT -5
That's a great point about the stepsisters in Cinderella. They are much more exaggerated in their movements compared to Cinderella. When you hear stories from the people who worked for Disney in the golden age of animation, they always talk about how the best draftsmen (such as Marc Davis) always wound up animating the humans. For instance, Marc Davis is considered one of the better draftsmen at the Studios in those days and look at the list of leading ladies he animated: Tinker Bell, Cinderella, Princess Aurora, Maleficent, and Cruella De Vil.
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Post by Donald Duck on Feb 20, 2014 21:46:01 GMT -5
Wow, that's really interesting to know! But I do agree, the lead character's would have to be more careful with how they're animated. It's just a little disappointing that character development is compromised because of it, but it's totally understandable.
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Post by Briar Rose's Dark Knight on Feb 20, 2014 22:37:27 GMT -5
For me it's all about finding the right balance. Both are very important. While Aladdin is a better character than Prince Charming, I think Cinderella the movie is much better than Aladdin the movie. And I like both films. In the case of Cinderella, what it lacks in an interesting male lead, it more than makes up for in supporting characters. My favorite characters in Cinderella are Gus and Jaq.
While I wish Disney could have done more with the respective Prince Charmings, I also think the finished films they appear in are absolutely brilliant and near perfect. And without both Snow White and Cinderella, we wouldn't have Disney animation. And that includes my favorite film Sleeping Beauty. Cinderella literally saved the studio.
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Post by Silver on Mar 11, 2014 20:19:40 GMT -5
I wager that if Cinderella had been written and released in the late 80's or early 90's we would have seen a much spunkier and outspoken woman like we have with all the other heroines of that time. Even still, she not as meek as some believe her to be.
I did notice though that throughout the film Cinderella has some elements of it. It was like a test run in a sense. An example would be when she stands up to her step-sisters after they tease her about going to the ball. They mock her as the dance. She steps foreward with a rather "in control" tone and posture. "Well why not? Afterall I cam still a member of the family. And it says by royal command. Every eligible maiden is to attend." It shows she doesn't just wilt like a flower every time belittle her.
Another moment of her showing some fire is when she scolds Lucifer. Lucifer doesn't want to get up. He turns his back on her and show his backside as an insult. She won't have any of that. "Lucifer! Come here!!!" It maybe in a whispered tone but it demonstrates there is a backbone on her.
I think with the time period it was written. They could only take it so far.
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Post by Butterscotch on Mar 11, 2014 20:25:22 GMT -5
Yeah, she was definitely spunkier than I remembered. It kind of surprised me, as I'd always thought of Cinderella as the most passive princess.
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Post by icyheart16 on Sept 18, 2014 8:48:52 GMT -5
I watched this movie over the weekend and forgot how much I positively adored it. Cinderella lost her father, was made a servant, and forced to live in the drafty tower of her own home AND STILL was the sweetest person imaginable. I love how in the end, she came out as the triumphant. Winning the heart of the Prince and being swept off her feet to her happily ever after, thus removing herself from that negative situation.
I think one of the reasons I love this movie is that it is relatable to me. I had a bad home life and got my own Cinderella Story, so to speak. I was swept off my feet into a new family. One who loved me. So this movie has a special place in my heart! <3
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Post by Silver on Oct 10, 2015 17:12:54 GMT -5
As a "certain" website took the liberty of slamming dear Cinderella again. Need I remind them of three things. One is this was created in the 40's where women did not express themselves so bluntly. Second is Cinderella has no prospects or connections if she ever left the manor. Goodness forgive her for wanting a roof over her head and food in her stomach.
Second is they must have missed that Disney left small doses of her not being a complete wilting flower.
The most evident one. "Oh that clock! Oh kill joy. I hear you. Come on get up you say. Time to start another day." (Turns to her animal friends. Dignified but aggravated) "Even he orders me around. Well there's 'ONE' thing. They can't order me to stop dreaming."
This is what I call the slow shift in tide for Disney female leading characters taking charge of what matters. Self-preservation that is soft-spoken but remains firmly grounded.
Go Cinderella!
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