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Post by CogsworthStitch on Oct 13, 2007 19:51:01 GMT -5
Briar Rose's Prince is a guy ^^ ...what? Anyways, I just rewatched BatB again tonight. I was talking about favorite characters with a friend, and found myself realizing that even like the 17th person on my list of favs was still WAYWAY up there with my favorite characters ever. Everytime I watch it it just makes me love BatB more.
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Post by Butterscotch on Oct 13, 2007 20:33:14 GMT -5
Briar Rose's Prince is a guy ^^ ...what? Um...I mean that Briar's Rose Prince (or Briar Rose's Mad Scientist, as he calls himself now) is a guy. I...don't know how to make it any clearer than that. o.o
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Post by david on Oct 19, 2007 13:26:29 GMT -5
It's not my favourite out of the Disney films but I've had to watch it a good few times as it's my girlfriend's favourite film.
The voice cast are good and the storyline isn't too bad either, I just don't enjoy it as much as some of the others.
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Post by LauraHonest on Oct 19, 2007 13:38:14 GMT -5
See everyone? She just gave PROOF that BatB rules. if you are refering to post above you about BatB the word "she" should be "he" because the person who made that post is a man.
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Post by SpellWovenNight on Oct 21, 2007 15:45:30 GMT -5
I've gotta question, as anyone seen any of the two sequals of BATB? and how were they on a sequal scale? I haven't seen any of them, though I've heard some of the Christmas music from one. I never liked the whole story within the story idea (how its still when the Beast is the Beast and before the spell's broken so its really a story with in the first movie)
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Post by Butterscotch on Oct 21, 2007 19:16:38 GMT -5
It's been a while since I saw Enchanted Christmas, but it was pretty cute from what I remember. Not a new classic or anything, but one of the better sequels. Worth renting.
The other one (or were there 2?) tells several short stories during Belle's stay in the castle. They were pretty "meh"; maybe if they're on cable or something it'd be worth watching, but not worth renting, in my opinion.
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Post by Briar Rose's Dark Knight on Oct 21, 2007 23:40:05 GMT -5
I saw Enchanted Christmas once and thought it was well done. The setting of the story as contained within the original film actually helped strengthen it as they could tell a new story without having to set up the new story.
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Post by LauraHonest on Oct 22, 2007 10:08:43 GMT -5
I liked the additional characters that were added into Enchanted Christmas. They fit with the story without taking anything away from the original. I thought it was well done for a sequel. I haven't seen the other one though.
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Post by Silver on Oct 23, 2007 1:35:40 GMT -5
I'm timidly going against the tide a little bit. Beauty and the Beast is an enjoyable film to me, but it's not among my favorites. It's good. (no question about that) But it just hasn't reached far enough for me to say I'd rank on my favorite film list. (Please don't rip me to shreds)
On another note. There are three points that I love about this film! Fiist the animation! I think it's one of the greatest pieces ever made for animation. It's stunning! The ballroom sequence could be in a class all it's own. The opening was very unique. And the detail the animators go into for each room and the castle itself is beyond words! I swear, some those scenes should be hung in an art gallery. They're so lovely to behold.
The score is one of Alan Menken's finest! (If not his finest) I could feel the tension, romance, and silliness in the air whenever the instruments would start playing. There's so much passion that this peice could rival Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom of the Opera. (I'm not kidding) Alan Menken has a majestic sound so pleasing to the ear, I could fall asleep to it.
And lastly but not least. My favorite character: the Beast! Robby Beson's performance was "phenomenal" as was Glenn Keane's animation! His character makes an astounding transition from cruel villian to inquistitive creature, then to romantic hero. In the beginningl I feel anger and confusion towards his actions. In the rising action I rank from terrified to sympathy. And as the resolution closes I become in love with him. He's charming, funny, sincere, and brave. "Who could ever learn to love a beast?" I did, that's for sure! But after watching the film through, I have to ask. Who wouldn't?
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Post by Briar Rose's Dark Knight on Oct 25, 2007 0:37:01 GMT -5
One of the strengths of Disney is that there are so many classic films with different stories. That means that we can all enjoy them, but different things speak to us in different ways. Silver's point about the music reminds me why many critics have argued that Beauty and the Beast as a film revitalized Broadway style musicals.
The comment about the art gallery reminds me of an interesting story. I have a friend who used to work for Disney, both as an animator and as an artist. He told me that one day he and some other animators felt like they weren't very good, so they decided to visit L.A. art galleries over a six week period to try and learn some things. After two weeks of doing so, they decided to stop visiting the art galleries because they learned that they had nothing to be ashamed of.
Too often, animation is thought of as a children's media, but if you really look at Disney animation, it's a whole different story. Simply put, Snow White(which now does not look as good as it's successors) was unlike anything that had ever been seen in animation before. Just look at Snow White and compare it to everything else done in animation at that time. It is a remarkable film.
Like Snow White and Sleeping Beauty(which actually helped wipe out Disney competitors who were trying to do animation as cheaply and poorly as possble), Beauty and the Beast served as another benchmark film. It marked the first time a computer was used to animate a scene in the still breathtaking ballroom sequence. Without the computer, they would have been unable to pull off the angles used in that sequence.
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Post by Butterscotch on Oct 25, 2007 8:25:36 GMT -5
This is true of all cartoons, animated or not, Disney or not. I get strange looks when I buy manga, get my Betty and Veronica fix, buy DVDs of cartoons etc.
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Post by liongirl on Oct 26, 2007 15:07:08 GMT -5
I absolutly love this movie! It's in my Top 10 fav list of disney movies! I love everything about it except maybe Gaston. (I hate him as much as I hate Raoul in POTO. Phantom fans, you know who I'm talking about.) L.G.
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Post by Donald Duck on Oct 26, 2007 16:32:07 GMT -5
I'm not a big Gaston fan either ;D
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Post by Butterscotch on Oct 26, 2007 20:09:53 GMT -5
I love Gaston! Especially early on, when he's more dumb and mean than really evil.
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Post by Briar Rose's Dark Knight on Oct 27, 2007 2:24:41 GMT -5
Gaston is an complex character because he wants Belle so badly that he lets his obsession drive him down a dark and twisted path. Gaston does not start the film as a villain, but more as an annoyance to the heroine. I suspect he represents the kind of person that the Beast was before the spell was cast. As Gaston lets his selfishness guide his motives, he becomes more and more of a monster. This contrasts so powerfully with the Beast, who as he learns to be less selfish, he becomes more and more of a man.
Gaston makes for an interesting villain because at the start of the story he does not exude evil ala other famous Disney villains. Rather, he is the insensitive jock with a crush on the most beautiful girl in school. And in a tremendous victory for nice guys everywhere, the most beautiful girl in school wants nothing to do with this jerk. It's there that Gaston gets into trouble.
All that aside, Gaston is one of the funnest Disney characters to watch. He is so completely clueless, yet so vain that it makes for a fun combination. In a film loaded with show stopping musical numbers, some prominent film critics have argued that Gaston is the best musical number of the film. That segment is hysterical. In and of himself, Gaston is a great foil to Belle. He's the complete opposite of what she is looking for, yet is so puffed up about himself that he can't see why Belle wants nothing to do with him.
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