athena
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Post by athena on Mar 11, 2009 2:34:53 GMT -5
Be Prepared
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Judge Claude Frollo
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And He shall smite the wicked and plunge them into the fiery pit!
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Post by Judge Claude Frollo on Apr 18, 2009 17:25:40 GMT -5
My own song of course, Hellfire!
Hellfire, dark fire Now Gypsy it's your turn! Choose me or your pyre Be mine or you will burn!
Can't get anymore intense than that for a villain song!
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Post by Pirate_Princess_Lass on Apr 18, 2009 18:09:01 GMT -5
Hell Fire and Be Prepared.. if only Maleficent sang she would win!
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Judge Claude Frollo
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Post by Judge Claude Frollo on Apr 30, 2009 23:45:39 GMT -5
If only Maleficent sang she would win! I can't imagine her singing, it would ruin her whole evil coolness. Besides, what would she sing about, how pissed she is about not being invited to the party?
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Post by Silver on May 1, 2009 0:00:31 GMT -5
I can understand where you're coming from. ^^ Back during the time Walt was involved, villians didn't have musical numbers. So generally audiences arn't accustomed to the idea. However I can say I envision her with a song about her passion for dominance and revenge. I wouldn't find that anymore strange then Scar planning to murder his family or Frollo's desire for control.
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Judge Claude Frollo
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And He shall smite the wicked and plunge them into the fiery pit!
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Post by Judge Claude Frollo on May 2, 2009 0:35:55 GMT -5
I can understand where you're coming from. ^^ Back during the time Walt was involved, villians didn't have musical numbers. So generally audiences arn't accustomed to the idea. However I can say I envision her with a song about her passion for dominance and revenge. I wouldn't find that anymore strange then Scar planning to murder his family or Frollo's desire for control. Now this got me thinking, who was the first villain to sing? Hmmm....I want to say Madame Mim from Sword in the Stone. Cruella only had a song about her, but she didn't actually sing it. Captain Hook had a song about himself and becoming a pirate, which he sang as well. I guess that kind of counts.
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Post by wearedoomed on Jan 21, 2010 16:49:29 GMT -5
My favorite Disney villain song:
A song from my favorite Disney villain:
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Post by Butterscotch on Jan 21, 2010 17:00:03 GMT -5
Gaston! I love that song! I also love Poor Unfortunate Souls, Be Prepared and Mine, Mine, Mine I still love these songs, but lately Friends on the Other Side has grown on me quite a lot.
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Post by Briar Rose's Dark Knight on Jan 22, 2010 21:27:25 GMT -5
Friends on the Other Side is indeed a great song. It makes me appreciate Dr. Facillier more now than when I first saw the film.
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Post by Skeleton Grin on Jan 23, 2010 0:54:27 GMT -5
I agree with both of you, Friends On The Other Side has got a fantastic vibe to it and Keith David performs it fantastically, I'd say well enough for it to classed as a Villainous classic in a few years time
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Post by Briar Rose's Dark Knight on Jan 23, 2010 1:16:08 GMT -5
There's such a smooth and menacing quality to Friends On the Other Side. Maybe it's because I've heard it a ton recently, but I may like it better than Poor Unfortunate Souls and Be Prepared, which I consider the gold standard for villain songs.
Gaston is one of the funniest songs they've ever done, but it's more comedic than villainous to me.
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Post by Silver on Jan 23, 2010 1:36:04 GMT -5
What I find intersting about the song Gaston is how it showcases society worshipping people like Gaston. He's full of himself and happily brags about it. The people of the town only cheer on his behavior even though he's practically screaming "I'm superior then all of you!" I'm still not quite sure what to think of that even though it was meant to be a showstopper.
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Post by Briar Rose's Dark Knight on Jan 23, 2010 1:59:43 GMT -5
I'm not sure which songs in Beauty and the Beast aren't showstoppers.
I think the song Gaston works great as a contrast with the song Belle. In "Belle" we see how Belle is happy with who she is. Yes, she wants "more," but doesn't define her life by it. She's happy with who she is, even if others don't quite understand her. But in "Gaston," we see the hero define himself by what he doesn't have. He could care less about everything he "could" have, so he is absolutely miserable by what he doesn't have. I think it's a commentary on the dangers of believing oneself to be better than everyone else.
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Post by Silver on Jan 23, 2010 2:12:41 GMT -5
I undertsand what you mean by Disney trying to convey to the audience what real self-esttem is. However the sequence of "Gaston" has it's own ugly truth. I don't know about you but I've come across situations like this where society is just as superfical and greedy as this scene describes. Many societies thrive on the superfical standards of life. People worship famous-figures who believe they are superior then most yet deep down they have low-self esteem. Yet why do people look up to them? I feel like Belle in many ways as I tend to feel society looks down on me for looking into the more poiant side of life. I'm not trying to brag, but isn't that a healthier and happier way to live? So why does society ridicule it? That's what I mean. This scene depicts a side of society I wish would change.
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Post by Briar Rose's Dark Knight on Jan 23, 2010 2:35:51 GMT -5
It's a very ugly truth. And celebrity worship in society is the worst of it. People define themselves by what some random person who happened to become famous wears or thinks. They look up to them because they don't understand their own self worth and how important they could be to one person.
Perhaps that's the important message of Beauty and the Beast. At one point in time, the Beast was like Gaston. But his humiliation taught him to be humble and when a simple girl showed was patient and kind, he was able to change. In the end, it doesn't really matter that he became a prince again. He and Belle would live happily ever after because of what they both learned.
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