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Post by Butterscotch on Jul 20, 2014 18:42:38 GMT -5
I don't plan on seeing Planes anytime soon. Maybe in a few years my nephew will want me to watch it with him, but until then... Sent from my GT-P3113 using proboards
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Post by Mrs. Nesbit on Jul 20, 2014 18:57:31 GMT -5
Planes was an alright movie. It was actually kind of cute. I didn't see the need to make another one.
You are all going to hate me but I really think that The Lion King is over rated. There was such a fuss over JJT when it first came out. Don't get me wrong. It has wonderful songs but I really just don't get all the fuss. There are so many better movies than this one yet it seems to top everyone's top 5 movies.
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Post by Silver on Jul 20, 2014 22:26:30 GMT -5
Some might be wondering how Planes entered this discussion. Well I'm wondering how it managed to sneak past the Cinema police. It's a crime it was there! It was initially planned as a direct-to-dvd release. That's what it should have remained. It's nothing more then ploy for marketing sales.
So a sequel (which by the advertsiments alone spells cheap) being allowed to be near an area meant for art on the screen I find disgraceful! So the fact that people are linning up to see as if it's some special mega-event that should be seen on a 2:00pm slot on Playhouse Disney angers me. It is most certainly possible to creat family-friendly entertainment that has vaule to adults. This is "ONLY" for money alone. There was nothing story-driven behind this.
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Post by jupiter23 on Jul 21, 2014 9:00:46 GMT -5
Planes was an alright movie. It was actually kind of cute. I didn't see the need to make another one. You are all going to hate me but I really think that The Lion King is over rated. There was such a fuss over JJT when it first came out. Don't get me wrong. It has wonderful songs but I really just don't get all the fuss. There are so many better movies than this one yet it seems to top everyone's top 5 movies. I remember when The Lion King first came out too, and Johnathan Taylor Thomas was the only reason a lot of girls wanted to go see it at the time. I didn't see it until it came out on video, and I didn't really get what all the fuss was about then either. I still don't. And actually Disney themselves didn't expect TLK to do as well as it did. They expected Pocahontas, which was released at about the same time, to do much better. Another movie I didn't really care for was Brave. I rented it once not long after it came out on DVD, and that's really the only time I've been able to bring myself to watch it.
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Post by icyheart16 on Jul 21, 2014 9:19:24 GMT -5
I still haven't see Brave and have no desire too... Lol
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Post by Shenzi on Aug 28, 2014 21:09:48 GMT -5
Honestly, Frozen. It has amazingly unique elements which are very refreshing from what Disney usually does and a wonderful soundtrack but the plot is very flawed in ways that bug me like no other Disney movie ever has. It was very underdeveloped. Not a single character had backstory and there was were elements that should have connected but were left hanging. I describe this in the Frozen thread. I'd like to agree with Sleeping Beauty but I honestly don't remember when the last time I watched it was. Quite possibly in daycare. It's never drawn my attention however. I also never got into the Pirate films. I've never really been into pirates but I have watched the first film and it just didn't capture my attention. Plus I have a thing against films that have way too many installments than it needs. Usually more than two. Planes...yeah no thanks. Trailers never appealed to me, it seems like more of a little boys film.
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Post by jupiter23 on Aug 29, 2014 15:17:21 GMT -5
Honestly, Frozen. It has amazingly unique elements which are very refreshing from what Disney usually does and a wonderful soundtrack but the plot is very flawed in ways that bug me like no other Disney movie ever has. It was very underdeveloped. Not a single character had backstory and there was were elements that should have connected but were left hanging. I describe this in the Frozen thread. The only characters in Frozen who's backstories we don't see are Hans' and Sven's. Elsa and Anna's is there from the get go, and whatever wasn't there for Kristoff's is pretty easy to figure out as the movie goes on. With Hans, though, we only have what we hear him telling Anna during the ball. And with Sven all we get is the one scene in the beginning of the movie and then later Kristoff telling Anna that it was just him and Sven until the Trolls took them in.
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Post by icyheart16 on Aug 29, 2014 15:49:16 GMT -5
But it is such a fun movie!!!!!!
*bounces off singing "Do you wanna build a snowman?!!!!!!"*
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Post by Shenzi on Aug 30, 2014 14:41:06 GMT -5
Honestly, Frozen. It has amazingly unique elements which are very refreshing from what Disney usually does and a wonderful soundtrack but the plot is very flawed in ways that bug me like no other Disney movie ever has. It was very underdeveloped. Not a single character had backstory and there was were elements that should have connected but were left hanging. I describe this in the Frozen thread. The only characters in Frozen who's backstories we don't see are Hans' and Sven's. Elsa and Anna's is there from the get go, and whatever wasn't there for Kristoff's is pretty easy to figure out as the movie goes on. With Hans, though, we only have what we hear him telling Anna during the ball. And with Sven all we get is the one scene in the beginning of the movie and then later Kristoff telling Anna that it was just him and Sven until the Trolls took them in. I respectfully disagree that what facts we do get of the character's pasts are 'Backstory' as well as that Kristoff's speaks for itself. They don't at all give us a sense of who the characters are. The most significant unanswered question being where did Elsa's powers come from. She was born with them but how? That's the thing, we get very small snippets of information from characters but no 'why's. But it is such a fun movie!!!!!! *bounces off singing "Do you wanna build a snowman?!!!!!!"* Indeed Ari. It's an enjoyable movie nonetheless.
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Post by jupiter23 on Aug 30, 2014 19:26:20 GMT -5
I can give you that one on Elsa's powers, but when someone says "backstory," they usually mean what happened to them to turn them in to who they are while the rest of the movie is going on.
I'll elaborate, starting with Elsa and Anna. Like I said, theirs was there in the movie from the get go. They were really close to one another and played together all the time, until Elsa accidentally struck Anna in the head with her powers. Now, to keep Anna safe, everyone agrees that Anna shouldn't know about Elsa's powers until Elsa can learn to control them properly. This leads to them having to be separated, and Anna being upset because she never knows why. As far as she knows, her best friend in the entire world suddenly doesn't want anything to do with her, and her parents have shut the castle up to the outside world. She isn't able to make any other friends because of this, and this leads to her later rushing into her engagement to Hans. Who, as Kristoff later points out to Anna, she doesn't really know anything about.
Elsa, in the meantime, becomes terrified of hurting anyone else the way she hurt Anna, and that fear moves in and takes over her life to the point where she's afraid to so much as make contact with inanimate objects for fear of destroying something and her secret getting out, as seen during the coronation scene. You can see her hands shaking when she reaches for the orb and scepter. Then, when her secret gets out at the ball, she runs away for fear of causing more damage.
Now with Kristoff, you see from the beginning that he wants to be an ice harvester. And it's obvious that he's very young, possibly too young to even be out there alone with all those grown men. But you also see that none of them offer to help him or show him how to do anything. The song they're all singing says right there in it that ice is dangerous, and you can also see that as everyone is working, no one is paying the slightest bit of attention to Kristoff. This says that he's alone in the world, except for Sven. Kristoff confirms this later in the movie that it was just the two of them. Then they meet the trolls, and when Bulda announces that she's gonna take them in, Kristoff smiles.
Fast forward to when Kristoff grows up. It's still just him and Sven. You don't see him really interacting with anyone in the town, and while everyone else is all excited about the castle opening up and Elsa's coronation, it doesn't really seem to matter to him otherwise. Then later at Oaken's shop when he meets Anna, he doesn't say much to either Oaken or to Anna while he's in there. Then you have a few minutes later in the barn when he's singing to Sven about reindeer being better than people. All of that says that he doesn't really like people that much. And when everything is factored in, you can see why. He had never been treated very well by them for most of his life. A common defense mechanism for anyone who has not been treated kindly by people for so long is to distance themselves from them and be a bit distrustful of them as a whole. And this is exactly what Kristoff does. Listen to the song "Fixer Upper." The trolls talk quite extensively about Kristoff's personality and how he's actually a good person, he just doesn't show it to anyone. I've said this before in other places, and I'll stand by it every time: anyone who is that well-adjusted mentally doesn't just wake up one morning and decide that they don't like people. For someone like Kristoff to act the way he does around them means that it was a build-up of things over time that caused him to come to the decision that it just isn't worth the effort of trying to get close to someone.
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Post by Shenzi on Aug 30, 2014 22:41:57 GMT -5
There is still a lot of information missing as well as a huge revelation.
In regards to Kristoff, perhaps we didn't need to know what happened to his parents but his presence on the ice among those grown men raises a question? As you said they sang of how dangerous their job was so shouldn't an unsupervised young boy among them have been a concern? How could they just ignore him? Let's look at his closed off personality, how he doesn't allow people into his life. That isn't backed up. Simply being an orphan doesn't cut it. Ever read Harry Potter? This kid was raised in an abusive home and yet was very kind and cherished his friendships because it was all he had. The environment the trolls provided appeared to be nurturing and high spirited. They clearly encouraged relationships, preached that looking at the flaws in people is superficial. So where is the connection?
On to Anna and a revelation that was hinted at but never happened. That ritual where her memory was erased was referenced at least five times; Kristoff telling he that he'd seen the trolls perform a healing before, Hans pointing out the white lock in her hair, Olaf but it never came together.
Elsa other than the origin of her powers and Hans I'll give you. We don't learn much about Hans but enough to understand his motives in the plot and we do get a complete sense of Elsa's sheltered and anxious personality.
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Post by jupiter23 on Aug 31, 2014 9:11:19 GMT -5
With Anna, the revelation about her having been already healed once by the trolls kind of becomes a moot point. And you can always assume that Elsa and Kristoff later tell Anna about what happened when she was a kid.
And it wasn't uncommon at the time period for orphans to go largely ignored by society. That can heavily factor in to why Kristoff doesn't like people. Because why care about them when they never cared about him? And besides that, he had Sven and the trolls, and they cared about him, so why even need anyone else?
To go on your Harry Potter analogy (yes, I've read it, and seen all of the movies) like I said before, a well-adjusted person doesn't just wake up one morning and decide they don't like people. But there was a difference between Harry and Kristoff, too. Harry didn't wind up going most of his life being rejected by other people. In fact, he had this entire world where he was famous for something he did as a baby and a people who were completely ready to accept him. Kristoff didn't have all of that. No one came to him when he was eleven years old to explain to him that he had magical powers and that there was this entire other world where he was worshiped as a celebrity and they were all ready to give him a place to go. Kristoff had to make his own way in the world without anyone's help.
And as for Kristoff not letting anyone into his life, you just have to remember that he doesn't trust people. Letting someone into your life is really difficult when your only experiences dealing with other people never ended well.
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Post by Butterscotch on Aug 31, 2014 10:00:02 GMT -5
We don't see more of Kristoff's backstory because it's not important to the movie. We don't need to know more. In fact, we actually learn more about Kristoff's past than we do Aladdin's. All we know of Aladdin's backstory is that he steals to stay alive, has a monkey friend and doesn't have parents. We don't learn more about Aladdin's past until the tv series and the third movie. Sent from my GT-P3113 using proboards
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Post by Shenzi on Aug 31, 2014 14:05:15 GMT -5
That's true Butterscotch, we do learn nothing about Aladdin's past and I see the point of some backstories not being important but it still helps us connect with the characters more. It's the revelation of Anna's healing and the origin of Elsa's powers that bothered me most not Kristoff. Maybe it's just the writer in me having a problem with it.
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Post by Briar Rose's Dark Knight on Sept 1, 2014 2:16:11 GMT -5
I have no problem with Planes. It is not trying to be the next great Disney animated feature. Instead, it's just trying to entertain little boys and tell a story about remaining true to your roots while you pursue your dreams. Aside from the theatrical release, I don't think it's all that different from Sophia the First.
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