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Post by Shenzi on Apr 11, 2014 22:46:01 GMT -5
Frozen headcanon: going in spoiler tags for those that still haven't seen the movie (and if you haven't yet, I insist that you go see it as soon as possible.) {Spoiler}After the end of the movie: After Kristoff and Anna get together, everyone (and I mean everyone) begins to wonder when they're going to get married. After a time they begin placing bets on when Kristoff is going to ask Anna to marry him. Even Elsa is in on the bet.
Headcanon to that headcanon: Elsa wins the bet. Going off what you said. I notice this to has become quite popular with Frozen fans. {Spoiler}Fans are divided but the ideas are being thrown around. About what will become of Elsa's love life. If anything at all. On one end of the spectrum. We have those who remaim Team Feminist. She will be a proud independent woman who will allow Anna and Kristoff to be married and bring an heir into the world. Elsa will rule while not particpating in any form of romance nor parenting of any sort. Then of course is the opposite side who wants Elsa to find her own prince charming. So where do people on this Board stand? ^^ As was stated earlier. If you have not seen Frozen. Avoid my spoiler space. The following opinion is a Frozen spoiler. Please see the film before viewing.
{spoiler} Honestly I believe if Elsa does marry it will still take years for her to even seek a partner because she still has to work on her abilities. She may have learned to thaw but not to refrain from producing ice in the first place. At least it wasn't clearly established. She also needs to learn the thaw method, a new skill of any kind takes time and love of all things is probably the most complex trigger there could be. Let's not forget that the reason she was anti-social was because she was terrified of her abilities. Recall before she'd attacked Anna in childhood how open she was to goofing off? If she can gain more control of her abilities perhaps she'd gain the confidence to have a social life which could include men and being queen will help with that as well because it's a very interactive position. At the same time though she did display some qualities unrelated to her abilities of a naturally strong and independent woman. For example the way she responded to Anna wanting to marry a man she'd just met. This tells me that she certainly wouldn't stand for an arranged marriage which is a common way it works in royalty. So I could also see her remaining a single ruler and allowing Anna and Kristoff to produce her heir. If she does marry though I can still see Anna and Kristoff already doing so and having at least one child before she even finds a partner.
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Post by Butterscotch on Apr 15, 2014 23:56:56 GMT -5
Frozen headcanon: going in spoiler tags for those that still haven't seen the movie (and if you haven't yet, I insist that you go see it as soon as possible.) {Spoiler}After the end of the movie: After Kristoff and Anna get together, everyone (and I mean everyone) begins to wonder when they're going to get married. After a time they begin placing bets on when Kristoff is going to ask Anna to marry him. Even Elsa is in on the bet.
Headcanon to that headcanon: Elsa wins the bet. Going off what you said. I notice this to has become quite popular with Frozen fans. {Spoiler}Fans are divided but the ideas are being thrown around. About what will become of Elsa's love life. If anything at all. On one end of the spectrum. We have those who remaim Team Feminist. She will be a proud independent woman who will allow Anna and Kristoff to be married and bring an heir into the world. Elsa will rule while not particpating in any form of romance nor parenting of any sort. Then of course is the opposite side who wants Elsa to find her own prince charming. So where do people on this Board stand? ^^ As was stated earlier. If you have not seen Frozen. Avoid my spoiler space. {Spoiler for Frozen, kinda}I want Elsa to stay single, for lots of reasons. A lot of fans see Elsa as being lesbian/bisexual/asexual and I think that keeping her single would actually be a good compromise, since then people could think whatever they want, if that makes any sense. Plus, it would send a nice message that romance isn't the most important thing in a woman's life.
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Post by Donald Duck on Apr 16, 2014 1:03:08 GMT -5
This is actually a really common one...practically every Frozen fanfic I've looked at this week uses it. I'm going to put this behind a spoiler, since not everyone has seen Frozen yet, but it's nothing major. {Spoiler}{Spoilers for Frozen}Rapunzel and Eugene have a cameo in Frozen. They briefly appear during For the First Time in Forever (right after the gates open)
A *lot* of people like to think that Rapunzel is related to Anna and Elsa. They do have a resemblence.
I really like this idea. It's a lot of fun and makes for interesting ideas :> There has been some development on this. {Spoiler}People have expanded on this and said that the reason Anna and Elsa's parents were leaving was because they were leaving to go to Rapunzel's and Eugene's wedding. The next step in the theory, is that their ship crashed and it's the ship we see at the beginning of The Little Mermaid (which I thought was odd, because wasn't that Eric's ship? I can't remember, lol). Then, the next part is that Anna's and Elsa's parents didn't die, but they managed to get a boat and row to shore, into the jungle. That would make them Tarzan's parents also. Also, seeing a picture side by side of Tarzan's parents and Anna and Elsa's parents, there is a very real resemblance. At least I think so. Here's a link: 24.media.tumblr.com/b90261a24d0957fc02e35d93b1daa836/tumblr_n3zuxeKQ8F1r0hwsfo1_500.jpg
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Post by Shenzi on Apr 28, 2014 2:12:38 GMT -5
More Frozen Spoilers Ahead!Going off what you said. I notice this to has become quite popular with Frozen fans. {Spoiler}Fans are divided but the ideas are being thrown around. About what will become of Elsa's love life. If anything at all. On one end of the spectrum. We have those who remaim Team Feminist. She will be a proud independent woman who will allow Anna and Kristoff to be married and bring an heir into the world. Elsa will rule while not particpating in any form of romance nor parenting of any sort. Then of course is the opposite side who wants Elsa to find her own prince charming. So where do people on this Board stand? ^^ As was stated earlier. If you have not seen Frozen. Avoid my spoiler space. {Spoiler for Frozen, kinda}I want Elsa to stay single, for lots of reasons. A lot of fans see Elsa as being lesbian/bisexual/asexual and I think that keeping her single would actually be a good compromise, since then people could think whatever they want, if that makes any sense. Plus, it would send a nice message that romance isn't the most important thing in a woman's life.
{spoiler} Agreed, Disney needs more strong independent women after all it's classics that preach waiting for a prince to come sweep you off your feet, which is actually negative message to little girls. This is my favorite aspect of the film Brave (which due to the bear thing only gets 4 out of 5 stars from me), their very first princess who was the exact opposite of the classics and fought for and won her independence.
Actually Elsa's character is quite fitting as being asexual and I quite like the idea. Though to clear up any possible misunderstanding an asexual is NOT unromantic, they fall in love they just don't feel sexual attraction, huge difference. This however would possibly make it quite difficult for her to be in a relationship and might still require Anna and Kristoff to produce her heir which would be an interesting challenge to explore.
This is actually a really common one...practically every Frozen fanfic I've looked at this week uses it. I'm going to put this behind a spoiler, since not everyone has seen Frozen yet, but it's nothing major. {Spoiler}{Spoilers for Frozen}Rapunzel and Eugene have a cameo in Frozen. They briefly appear during For the First Time in Forever (right after the gates open)
A *lot* of people like to think that Rapunzel is related to Anna and Elsa. They do have a resemblence.
I really like this idea. It's a lot of fun and makes for interesting ideas :> There has been some development on this. {Spoiler}People have expanded on this and said that the reason Anna and Elsa's parents were leaving was because they were leaving to go to Rapunzel's and Eugene's wedding. The next step in the theory, is that their ship crashed and it's the ship we see at the beginning of The Little Mermaid (which I thought was odd, because wasn't that Eric's ship? I can't remember, lol). Then, the next part is that Anna's and Elsa's parents didn't die, but they managed to get a boat and row to shore, into the jungle. That would make them Tarzan's parents also. Also, seeing a picture side by side of Tarzan's parents and Anna and Elsa's parents, there is a very real resemblance. At least I think so. Here's a link: 24.media.tumblr.com/b90261a24d0957fc02e35d93b1daa836/tumblr_n3zuxeKQ8F1r0hwsfo1_500.jpg{spoiler} Good lord these are ridiculous and I believe even in some cases collide time periods. Firstly to answer your question Kawe, yeah the only two ships we ever see in The Little Mermaid are Eric's. That in itself contradicts that theory but I also believe TLM is futuristic to Frozen, not that I have much to go by there.
As for their being Tarzan's parents...um so Baby Tarzan sorta materialized then? There is certainly no baby or even pregnancy when they leave. Tarzan's time period having taken place solely in the Jungle is undeterminable but something that is known is that Tarzan's parents are British and in the original story anyway nobel but not royalty. According to what my mother once told me Tarzan would have grown up to be a lord not a king.
Now their attending Rapunzel and Eugene's wedding is plausible since they in turn attend Elsa's coronation. You actually get a split second glimpse of them if you're really paying attention and the time periods fit.
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Post by jupiter23 on Apr 28, 2014 9:03:20 GMT -5
More Frozen Spoilers Ahead!{spoiler} Good lord these are ridiculous and I believe even in some cases collide time periods. Firstly to answer your question Kawe, yeah the only two ships we ever see in The Little Mermaid are Eric's. That in itself contradicts that theory but I also believe TLM is futuristic to Frozen, not that I have much to go by there.
As for their being Tarzan's parents...um so Baby Tarzan sorta materialized then? There is certainly no baby or even pregnancy when they leave. Tarzan's time period having taken place solely in the Jungle is undeterminable but something that is known is that Tarzan's parents are British and in the original story anyway nobel but not royalty. According to what my mother once told me Tarzan would have grown up to be a lord not a king.
Now their attending Rapunzel and Eugene's wedding is plausible since they in turn attend Elsa's coronation. You actually get a split second glimpse of them if you're really paying attention and the time periods fit. {Spoiler}And that is why I have a problem with the Tarzan and Little Mermaid theories. The ship Ariel is exploring at the beginning of the movie is a random ship that had already sank. I can only give that one some plausibility if a good argument can be made about the timelines. The Tarzan one, not so much. There's just too much there that's wrong.
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Post by Shenzi on Apr 29, 2014 2:47:54 GMT -5
More Frozen Spoilers Ahead!{spoiler} Good lord these are ridiculous and I believe even in some cases collide time periods. Firstly to answer your question Kawe, yeah the only two ships we ever see in The Little Mermaid are Eric's. That in itself contradicts that theory but I also believe TLM is futuristic to Frozen, not that I have much to go by there.
As for their being Tarzan's parents...um so Baby Tarzan sorta materialized then? There is certainly no baby or even pregnancy when they leave. Tarzan's time period having taken place solely in the Jungle is undeterminable but something that is known is that Tarzan's parents are British and in the original story anyway nobel but not royalty. According to what my mother once told me Tarzan would have grown up to be a lord not a king.
Now their attending Rapunzel and Eugene's wedding is plausible since they in turn attend Elsa's coronation. You actually get a split second glimpse of them if you're really paying attention and the time periods fit. {Spoiler}And that is why I have a problem with the Tarzan and Little Mermaid theories. The ship Ariel is exploring at the beginning of the movie is a random ship that had already sank. I can only give that one some plausibility if a good argument can be made about the timelines. The Tarzan one, not so much. There's just too much there that's wrong. [Spoiler} Oh I forgot about the ship Ariel finds the dinglehopper in but I still stand by there being timeline issues between TLM and Frozen. This certainly also is not the shop from Tarzan. While it could have come from anywhere one thing that is clear is that TLM does NOT take place near Africa. Tarzan's parents boarded the ship from London and obviously ended up taking refuge in Africa and there are a number of locations Eric's palace in TLM could be located based on the different voices of the characters; France, England and America primarily. Another thing is that a timeline comparison is impossible due to there not being enough suggestion in Tarzan though based on the items in the campsite which are the only hints and very subtle at that, I'd say Tarzan and TLM are closer in time periods than either Tarzan and Frozen or TLM and Frozen.
So there is more arguing against them than there is openness to plausibility.
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Post by jupiter23 on Apr 29, 2014 9:32:12 GMT -5
{Spoiler}And that is why I have a problem with the Tarzan and Little Mermaid theories. The ship Ariel is exploring at the beginning of the movie is a random ship that had already sank. I can only give that one some plausibility if a good argument can be made about the timelines. The Tarzan one, not so much. There's just too much there that's wrong. [Spoiler} Oh I forgot about the ship Ariel finds the dinglehopper in but I still stand by there being timeline issues between TLM and Frozen. This certainly also is not the shop from Tarzan. While it could have come from anywhere one thing that is clear is that TLM does NOT take place near Africa. Tarzan's parents boarded the ship from London and obviously ended up taking refuge in Africa and there are a number of locations Eric's palace in TLM could be located based on the different voices of the characters; France, England and America primarily. Another thing is that a timeline comparison is impossible due to there not being enough suggestion in Tarzan though based on the items in the campsite which are the only hints and very subtle at that, I'd say Tarzan and TLM are closer in time periods than either Tarzan and Frozen or TLM and Frozen.
So there is more arguing against them than there is openness to plausibility. I don't disagree with you about the timelines. The timelines are the reason that a lot of these theories don't really hold any water (no puns intended). The only reasons the ones about The Little Mermaid have any plausibility at all is because it takes place around the same areas of Northern Europe that Frozen and Tangled (to an extent) do. Tarzan takes place entirely in Africa, {Spoiler} and if the King and Queen of Arendelle were only supposed to be gone for a couple of weeks, Africa is way too far away for a two-week trip. Even the ship being blown off course wouldn't make any sense. That alone kills the Tarzan theory. Unless anyone wants to go so far to suggest that Tarzan took place on the same island that the show Lost was set on.
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Post by Shenzi on Apr 29, 2014 12:08:28 GMT -5
[Spoiler} Oh I forgot about the ship Ariel finds the dinglehopper in but I still stand by there being timeline issues between TLM and Frozen. This certainly also is not the shop from Tarzan. While it could have come from anywhere one thing that is clear is that TLM does NOT take place near Africa. Tarzan's parents boarded the ship from London and obviously ended up taking refuge in Africa and there are a number of locations Eric's palace in TLM could be located based on the different voices of the characters; France, England and America primarily. Another thing is that a timeline comparison is impossible due to there not being enough suggestion in Tarzan though based on the items in the campsite which are the only hints and very subtle at that, I'd say Tarzan and TLM are closer in time periods than either Tarzan and Frozen or TLM and Frozen.
So there is more arguing against them than there is openness to plausibility. I don't disagree with you about the timelines. The timelines are the reason that a lot of these theories don't really hold any water (no puns intended). The only reasons the ones about The Little Mermaid have any plausibility at all is because it takes place around the same areas of Northern Europe that Frozen and Tangled (to an extent) do. Tarzan takes place entirely in Africa, {Spoiler} and if the King and Queen of Arendelle were only supposed to be gone for a couple of weeks, Africa is way too far away for a two-week trip. Even the ship being blown off course wouldn't make any sense. That alone kills the Tarzan theory. Unless anyone wants to go so far to suggest that Tarzan took place on the same island that the show Lost was set on. {spoiler} It's not only the location for the Tarzan theory, as I mentioned before it's logically impossible for them to be Tarzan's parents. He was a Lord not a King and they don't have a baby when they leave neither in their arms or in pregnancy.
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Post by angelgirl on May 7, 2014 21:06:04 GMT -5
Switching movies here.
My personal headcanon has to do with The Lion King.
I like to think that during Scar's reign, at some point, close to the end, Zira went and cheated on Scar with some random lion and had Kovu and Vitani with him. They're twins, Vitani looks like she's the same age and Nuka is their older half-brother. This lion had similar coloring to Scar and that's why Kovu looks so much like him. Zira told Scar this had happened, but he forgave her and even named Kovu his heir.
(That always bothered me, why would Scar pick a cub that's not even his over his own son?)
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Post by Silver on May 7, 2014 22:07:48 GMT -5
Angelgirl- Nobody ever said the writing for the sequel was better then the orginal. It's one of those things the film-makers should have thought more carefully about. But the fact is they just brushed right past it.
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Post by Shenzi on May 9, 2014 23:10:07 GMT -5
Switching movies here. My personal headcanon has to do with The Lion King. I like to think that during Scar's reign, at some point, close to the end, Zira went and cheated on Scar with some random lion and had Kovu and Vitani with him. They're twins, Vitani looks like she's the same age and Nuka is their older half-brother. This lion had similar coloring to Scar and that's why Kovu looks so much like him. Zira told Scar this had happened, but he forgave her and even named Kovu his heir. (That always bothered me, why would Scar pick a cub that's not even his over his own son?) Actually there is a deleted scene from the original film that might answer that concern. It's either an alternate version of 'Be Prepared' or a reprise not exactly sure which where Scar had tried to court Nala to be his queen when Zazu I believe it was expressed his lack of an heir to him. Obviously Nala refused him. This scene was supposed to show us why Nala left the Pridelands and to the contrary of her claim to Simba that it was to find food. Your theory is interesting but some of you information is assumed. There is nothing to suggest that any of Zira's cubs are Scar's (though I agree that Kovu and Vitani are likely twins, I myself consider them so, in fact in RL most lion cubs are born in twos) or that she'd even had a relationship with him. She obviously had a thing for him but he could very well have not returned it. Or perhaps he did and since she'd already had cubs he figured he'd dodged the bullet of having to produce his own to secure an heir. I've never looked at this real closely before but the implications in Scar choosing a cub that is not his own as his heir kind of suggests that perhaps he was Asexual. This would also still fit with his wanting to produce one with Nala. Asexual individuals will still have sex if it's to reproduce or if they want to pleasure their partner. It's obvious an heir was all he really had on his mind when he courted Nala. Here check it out: www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl8gDjaHWWAIt is clear why it was removed when you see it as it was quite mature though quite accurate to an actual lion pride. And in response to Silver's comment, I feel The Lion King 2 is the best 2D sequel Disney has ever done to date.
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Post by angelgirl on May 10, 2014 18:40:50 GMT -5
I do agree with you on that last part. Lion King 2 was the best of the Disney Sequels. And a lot of what you say does make sense, too.
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Post by Shenzi on May 12, 2014 1:28:09 GMT -5
I'm going to return the conversation to Frozen now sorry hehe. I've Googled and skimmed through the original tale The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen and this particular part caught my attention: for the full tale (and be warned, it's long) here: www.online-literature.com/hans_christian_andersen/972/One thing that was unsettling for me about the film was Kristoff's lack of backstory. "Cuties! I'm gonna keep you!" The troll had exclaimed embracing the little boy and the reindeer. When that boy became a man he later tells it that they "Took him in" which implies that he was orphaned but perhaps the Guru troll with his memory voodoo had put that into his head. It did occur to me that the fact that he was shown trying to collect ice with the adult men didn't match with the idea of his being an orphan. So what if that troll essentially kidnapped him and had the elder wipe/alter his memory!? I think I've just adopted this as headcannon. It makes sense to me. Disney obviously switched the gender roles but if you read the tale, the young boy lead is described as carrying a sledge which he expresses value for when he is taken by the Snow Queen which is a fit. It's quite easily seen that both the young boy and girl leads who are such close playmates they consider themselves siblings, are portrayed in the Disney film by Kristoff and Anna. Also interesting tidbit, if you click the provided link and take a look at the photo at the top of the page of Andersen, he bares a striking resemblance to the character in the Disney film who happens to share his first name. Am I right? Quite clever!
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Post by jupiter23 on May 12, 2014 12:22:49 GMT -5
Well, when they first started planning Frozen (back when Walt Disney was alive) they had been planning on sticking to the original story. The story we have now is what it became after the numerous re-writes. It even states somewhere in the credits that it was inspired by The Snow Queen, not based on it or adapted from it. (In fact, the entire reason Elsa wound up not being the villain of the story was because of the song "Let It Go.")
That being said, I've heard this about the trolls possibly influencing Kristoff's memories just so he would come and live with them. However, you only need to go back to the very start of the movie to see why this isn't likely.
From the get-go, we see Kristoff and Sven following the adult harvesters to the ice. At no point does it look like anyone else is paying much attention to either one of them. No one comes by and offers to help Kristoff or show him how to do anything. He's pretty much left to figure it out on his own. Then, when they're all leaving at the end of the night, Kristoff and Sven are again left to themselves. No one checks on either of them to make sure they're okay or need any help. No one comes back to make sure they get off the ice safely. And no one turns around to make sure they're keeping up with everyone else.
I also prefer to think of it this way. Considering what a dangerous job harvesting ice is (the harvesters themselves sing about it), if Kristoff had had parents to return to, why would they have let him go off alone to harvest ice in the first place? Especially doing it unsupervised.
Then there's the trolls themselves. While in the original story trolls were actually minions of the devil, there's absolutely nothing in the movie to support the fact that they had any malicious intent. Grand Pabbie could have completely wiped Anna's mind of all of her experiences with Elsa and the fun they had together, but he didn't. Instead he only erases the parts about Elsa using her magic and alters Anna's memories so it appeared that they were always playing outside when winter arrived.
Remember, however, that Anna is the only one he uses his mind-altering magic on. Also remember that the King and Queen brought their two young daughters to the trolls in the middle of the night by themselves, with no guards or anything. If the trolls in this movie had any sort of evil intent towards humans at all, this was the perfect opportunity for them to try something. The only other human witness in the area is Kristoff, who had also already been discovered by the trolls. So if the trolls had wanted to do anything at all, they had five humans (one of them unconscious) and a baby reindeer highly outnumbered. Instead they didn't do that. They fixed Anna and let them go home.
After all that, the worst thing the trolls do is try to marry Kristoff and Anna to one another on the spot.
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Post by Shenzi on May 14, 2014 0:35:50 GMT -5
Alright but see the fact that the other harvesters payed young Kristoff no mind is exactly why I find it makes more sense that he had parents who's responsibility he was. How could an orphan be ignored? As for why he wouldn't have gone home right away, he's a child of course he'd show some curiosity when he noticed the troll activities.
I will however give you that valid evidence that the trolls seemed to have no malicious intent. Though the elder troll's actions did ultimately lead to the events at the coronation which caused the near ruin of the kingdom. So one can speculate about the intent behind that ripple effect.
Hey it was just a thought, so I didn't look at all the evidence enough this time, my bad.
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