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Post by icyheart16 on May 18, 2014 18:18:42 GMT -5
I vouch for that, Butters. As you all remember, back in my younger days I was in an abusive home and I wouldn't leave. It really is hard.
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Post by Shenzi on May 19, 2014 0:04:53 GMT -5
This maybe for fun but couldn't help but shed light on one. Cinderella couldn't leave. She had her title as a Lady stripped away from her by her stepmother. She has no money. She was declared a commoner. And if she did attempt to run away to seek work. Most likely word would get around as the family she would try to work for would ask of her previous position. A family of wealth is highly unlikely to take in someone from the streets without proper knowledge of their past. They have assests to protect. We as the audience know Cinderella is harmless and honest. They would not. They'd interagate her and I forsee her spilling she worked for the Tremaines. I doubt she'd do well under such pressure. Then they would send a message to them asking if she would qualify as worthy servant of the household. Lady Treamaine of course would reveal everything and she'd be right back where she started. I can also easily envision Lady Tremanine making her own announcement of "Runway Servant". Most would turn her in without blinking if a reward was provided. I concur with this. Has anyone here seen 'Ever After' which is a take on the Cinderella story? This film provides an excellent example of how a servant was responded to in that time period. She'd posed as nobility (which was kind of ironic to the fact that the stepmother had stripped true nobility from her) to free a servant who was being sold from her property which threatened to forever separate a husband and wife. The charade is forced into escalation when the Prince took a liking to her for the deed and when she's revealed as a servant at the ball he is completely appalled and shuns her. You can tell his anger was more about the servant thing than the lying. Silver here pretty much nailed the Disney scenario. Though it's also truthful that abusive homes are difficult to leave, it looked quite a bit like that's what she'd been doing when the Fairy Godmother showed up and had she kept going particularly in that state of mind, she probably would have talked easily to the first person who showed her kindness whom I expect would take the precaution of questioning the stranger they're taking in. She was quite sensitive to begin with. So the fact that no one knew who she was, that the Tramaines had housed a third girl would not have cloaked her for long. Even a kind person would turn over a servant like an escaped convict. This is assuming she'd be taken in at all. Unlike in 'Ever After' this Cinderella didn't have respectable clothing to disguise herself. So it's actually more likely she would have given herself away just by being visible. This would cause anyone on the streets hoping for a reward or a fruitful profit from selling her to another home to grab her. As was also pointed out, she certainly would not have been able to take her animals with her and don't forget there would not have been a dress for the sisters to destroy at all without them. I believe they were a large source of her confidence. So that also plays a role in why she would easily reveal her home with the Tramaines. Arielle: I am sorry for your hardship, and very glad you are out now.
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Post by jupiter23 on May 19, 2014 9:12:02 GMT -5
I've seen Ever After. It's actually one of my favorite takes on the Cinderella story. And Ever After takes place a couple of centuries before Disney's version does. Although it's no less accurate in how the nobility generally thought of the working class.
In either case, I think Cinderella was more of a slave than a servant. Servants are paid for their work and are free to leave a position to take another if they want to, and Cinderella never was. Had she not met the prince at the ball that night, the only other way she would have been able to get out would be to run away. And I like to think that Cinderella would have known better than to try and get a job in the same area where the Tremaines lived on the off chance that someone would know Lady Tremaine.
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Post by Shenzi on May 19, 2014 13:52:45 GMT -5
Alright, well I am not a huge fan of the Disney version, I've only seen it when it's come on ABCFamily and there is a film after it I want to wait for. So no idea of the time period difference and the terms slipped my mind. Either way however my opinion on this matter stands.
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Post by Shenzi on Aug 17, 2014 14:34:32 GMT -5
My apologies for the double post but upon watching Pocahontas on ABCFamily last night the question of her being able to understand the English language came to mind.
Upon first coming in contact with John Smith she could not understand him, nor did she herself speak English. She probably learned it while spending time with him.
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Post by jupiter23 on Sept 5, 2014 22:26:58 GMT -5
As far as the movie was concerned I always thought it had something to do with some magic that Grandmother Willow put out into the air or something so that they could understand one another.
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Post by Shenzi on Sept 6, 2014 2:19:17 GMT -5
Interesting take but one could debate that Grandmother Willow had magic as there isn't any indication but on the subject she's come to strike me as possibly a figment of being in touch with nature. Remember Pocahontas sings in 'Colors of the Wind' that she sees every "rock and tree and creature" with a life, spirit and name. Notice the certain focus it required for John Smith to see Grandmother Willow's face.
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Post by jupiter23 on Sept 6, 2014 14:05:37 GMT -5
Meh, it could be argued then that Pocahontas was the one with the magic and didn't realize it. Or that Grandmother Willow had a really strong spirit. Either way, you also have Grandmother Willow telling Pocahontas to "listen with your heart" and then suddenly she and John could understand one another.
Not a sound theory, I know.
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Post by Shenzi on Sept 6, 2014 14:34:58 GMT -5
Oh that's true, I'd forgotten the whole "listen with your heart" thing. That I can see being read as her chanting a spell.
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